MabiPro: The Authentic Old-School Mabinogi Experience

So, I got curious today, and wondered just how old my character in live would be. But then I wondered how old a character would be if they were created when the game was realeased in S. Korea. Turns out, the oldest age (rough estimate) that you can possibly be is 219,000 years old. The general agreement is that the modern human appeared approx. 200,000 to 2.8 million years ago, though most just say 200,000 out of simplicity. This is INSANELY close to the oldest character possible, being only 19,000 years apart.

However, there's a giant issue here. When the game first released, archery and iron/steel swords were already readily available. This poses a HUGE issue. Why? Because guns were only "invented" in 2013, in the Iria Saga update. That means guns were made widely available about 73,000 years ago. These are revolvers, mind you, not even automatic weaponry. The first revolver was made sometime in 1831 according to google. That's just 187 years today, and the first automatic weapon was made in 1887, just 131 years ago. So for us to go from Steel swords to revolvers took us 5,131 years-quite a long time, but NOTHING in comparision to Errin, which clocks an astonishing 146,000 years to go from steel swords to guns. This means Errin, at our perception of time, advances at a snails pace of 3.51% the rate we do here on Earth.

Now, let's base that on our world for just a moment. Because the game is based on the Celts, which were prominent in 300-500 A.D. That means instead of starting at 3,300 B.C.-when steel swords were being made. This means we're starting 71.4% SOONER than before. So, adding that to the calculations, it took Errin's best minds at best about 41,756 years to go from steel weaponry to guns if we're using the people the game is based on with the same rate of advancement.

Could you imagine ourselves sitting in the same exact technological stagnation for that long? I sure can't, because if this were a game of CIV5, we on Earth would have gotten Future Tech thousands of times over, while Errin wouldn't have even gotten their first tech yet.

You forgot to account the magic. With magic there would be a minimal tecnology and magic devices are common. and then there's alchemy stuff.
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The reason I didn't include magic is because we have nothing to compare it to, as magic doesn't exist on Earth. So it would be a moot point to bring it up, as even the most basic magic would be literally infinitely more advanced than ours.

In terms of alchemy, they do have us beat, but in a real world scenario, is pretty useless. The only useful skill would be making a storm cloud, but looking in game, it only seems to go up about 40 feet, and isn't very large in size. It's really just a glorified smoke grenade that shocks you at random points if you think about it.

Imo, the only thing Errin has above us is Meteor Strike. It looks to be about 100M in diameter at R1, which is fairly large. Here's the issue though, it's so insanely slow it would do barely any damage to anything except in the immediate area. Any bomb we have nowadays in any size would curb stomp Meteor Strike in terms of sheer damage and firepower. For fireball, it's an insanely slow charging grenade, then when you throw it, flies at a snails pace to where you can avoid it just be doing a short sprint. Ice spear, would be fairly useful against soft targets, but again, the range is extremely short, so the use would be very situational, only being viable in ambushes. Thunder would be the most useful magic skill, as bringing down literal lightning is very useful against our electronic based military.

Small edit: Just to mention, with magic, technology should actually improve faster than we do. Magic is the manipulation of the natural world, so if they can figure out that, surely they can figure out how to fly and make more advanced things.

You're missing the point, the reason why there's no tecnology when magic exist that makes it easier for their errin life, which same goes for tecnology in our world, that being said , there aren't many reason to do so research on tecnology in errin world.

The guns existed long and were hidden until that day, they were meant for giants who don't excel magic. when they were found it and it went viral, that's how it became common for everyone, atleast that's how i think. i don't know much about the lore of ancient elves/giant in mabinogi though.
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No, I didn't miss any points, in fact, you missed my point in the last post. Magic would accelerate technological advancements, along with magic itself in the real world. Also, you adding in what you think might've happened with the guns doesn't=what really happened. Just because a new avenue of possible research is available doesn't mean something else will just be thrown to the wayside. According to your logic-if that were true, once planes were invented either guns or tanks or something of prominence would've been cast to the wayside to make room- but it just doesn't work like that. Magic would've evolved beside regular science, not instead of it. Besides, if magic was the only thing that was focused on then Errin's advancement is even worse, because a lackluster handful of spells were learned over the course of 220k years. Compare that to us in that same time frame, and there's much to be desired if we're talking just magic compared to regular tech.


Also, the only magic that makes Errin life easier is arguably healing and party healing, but that can easily be replaced by HP potions and bandages. Other than that, all possible known spells are either offensive or defensive in nature; not something a normal person would use in their daily life. That, and the fact that magic in Errin is something that is exclusive to nobility and scholars-aside from Cor that is. So unless there's some secret where everyone in Errin knows healing (spoiler, very few know it), magic hasn't made anyone's lives easier. There's also no telekinesis, no repair spells, etc. something that'd really help the daily life of a normal person.

Alchemy is honestly the only thing that helps in the way of progression. The ability to construct things out of a crystal is very useful- though mostly for construction purposes in a non-combat situation. However, it kind of stumbles on itself in the fact that you need raw materials to make the exact same thing you're going to be using to build stuff with. So instead of wasting all that time and resources... why not cut out the middleman and just take those raw materials and build it by hand and tool?

Let's just face it, Errin just progresses insanely slower than we do here on Earth, magic and alchemy or not.

Nice analysis. I want to go on a date with Morrighan or one of the godesses.

For Milletians, yes, but for the Tuatha de dannan not much time has passed. Milletians don't appear to be fussed with technology or progressing the world. The game goes out of its way to treat meta concepts with in world explanations, for instance the respawn of wild animals is a thing that people in universe witness, not simply a game abstraction meant to be ignored just so it functions.
This extends to the natures of Milletians, who essentially treat the world like we do, like a video game. Milletians are inherently separate from the world around them, being from another world entirely, and aren't actual citizens of the kingdom. This is why the Milletians at least aren't fussed with progressing technology.
According to Tarlach's journal, the Tuatha appear to only age in accordance to what they remember, that there is some magical effect taking place that keeps them forgetting new things and keeping them young (which is why they forget you so easily if you don't do part time jobs often). They are still otherwise normal people that age, can get old and die. Most characters are still the same age as when the game first released, which means they've forgotten most of what has happened to them in those thousands of years. I think Tarlach and Ruairi are the sole exceptions and show sings of aging, but that is implied to be from messing with the Soul Stream.
So yes, from our outside and rapidly fast forwarded prospective, they are progressing exceedingly slow. But when you consider that it has likely been less than a decade from their prospective, it isn't really all that surprising.

The problem I have with the whole "They forget and don't age lol" thing is that... well... books exist. Many NPC's seem to be able to at least write, surprisingly, as the common folk didn't even get the chance to learn to write until recent history.

Also, being from another world or not, I would think at least a few Milletians would want to progress technology just to see what new stuff they could invent or what new skills they could get. If none of them wanted to, then they're pretty freakin' lazy.

Development comes from interactions with other societies and new generations, essentially from encountering different perspectives. Not only are most of them completely unaware of Tarlach's memory theory, so they don't think to write down most new ideas, but it doesn't matter how long they have since they don't have those new perspectives.

And maybe a few milletians might be trying to, but unsuccessfully. Of those that care enough to try it, many I imagine would give up after the Tuathas keep forgetting everything. If I was a milletian I know I would quickly give up trying if the culture I was aiming it for consistently forgot about my efforts.

This is also just a headcanon, but I think milletians also wouldn't want the Tuathas being too self sufficient; milletians are effectively immortals, and doing quests of all sorts is how they burn their time and keep themselves entertained. What would they do if the Tuatha started becoming self sufficient?

Thing is, both of those have an answer. Because Milletians can write and read, they can just jot down everything they have learned and researched. Think of if Einstein, Tesla, Archemidies, Hawking, etc. never died. That's the situation on Errin, any geniuses wouldn't die, and would be free to continue their research into infinity, creating a snowball effect over time since they can keep going without growing old and the threat of death stopping them in their tracks. Also, different perspectives are in Errin, take Cor for example. They made quite literally the only defensive magic in the game, without them there wouldn't be mana shield or any of the bubble shields.

As for the Tuathan's becoming self sustaining and independant of us, it won't really happen the way it might on Earth. Unlike them, we can't die, get sick, waste away from hunger or thirst, or anything else. If a war broke out between the Tuatha's- and by extension including us, and some other entity? What would make more sense to include in the army, the relatively squishy Tuthan's, or the literal half-gods known as the Milletians? What about extremely dangerous work like mining or construction?

The only way for the Tuthan's to go up to the Milletians and flat out say "we don't need you anymore" would be for them to literally become us. So the notion that them becoming self sufficient would, at their rate of advancement, take hundreds of millions of years-basically negligible.