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Magic Weapon Mastery added to help with quality of life in general, bolt magic is super weak without it compared to other stuff we had in g13

What if wands could be off-handed, like a shield? I haven't heard anybody suggest that yet, and it'd enable a certain amount of hybridization (hold a wand with a sword, or a cylinder) while not necessarily needing to address the evaporation issue. You're also giving up the defense of a shield in order to do it.

I mean, I still think evaporation would be best removed, but this would be more fun in some ways than just that and create some interesting levels of choice if it still existed.

Uh, I don't get why it's a bad thing? It would take 574 APs to max only lightning bolt/mastery, bolt mastery and magic weapon mastery . Water cannon at rank 1 alone outdamages it without having to deal with mana for only 152 APs(base damage higher at full charge, damage variance is kinder on WC side, easy of use, mechanics in water cannon that bypass def, etc).

I mean I don't mind dealing less damage than every other people for the sake of qtp2t magic effects, I know that it gets much better once you get adv magic and start nuking, but up to that point you just pay too much and have to deal with too much shit, being worse than almost everyone you party with and for what reason should mages have less fun and deal with this kind of stuff early game?

I kind of share the same opinion on archery but it's still easier than playing mage on the first levels, especially if it's elf archery. (ONLY FOR THE EARLY GAME AAA)

Magic Weapon Mastery, Mana Evaporation removal, beginner wands and MP30s won't make mages OP, it'll just make it sufferable compared to anything else​ for the first 200~400 levels.

Dont take me wrong, but you got something wrong here on my Point of view, indeed CC firebolt is strong, very strong late game, but lets keep in mind that needs an upgraded wand to work, and wand repairs are high, stupidly high, Chain Alchemy is a skill, can be used with any Cylinder/skill, if we mages had chain casting based on chance like Alchemists, I could understand where you trying to get at, but we don't have it.

I would say to balance it out, make so the Chain Casting of alchemists worked like on Official(with the proper balance ofc) and give a similar skill to Mages (Magic Chain Casting) that works the same way, balanced out ofc and that doesn't work with Int Magic, thus not becoming OP, mages would be able to still chain cast with any weapon in case their wand goes out of durability and Hybridization would improve too.

I have to actually to go into this further because now that I'm thinking about it, what kind of setups are you doing as a "spellsword" Because, I'd assume most mages are running CC4 firebolt for the main big damage single target attack. If you're looking to do some combo setups, then it's icespear/thunder into blaze. The bolts on the other hand really don't setup for anything big, you'll mainly be using stuff like lightningbolt into charge>smash attack. I can't imagine you'd need a lightning wand for this.

Like, I totally understand that switching from melee to a wand to do charge into blaze means you won't be able to go back into melee, if you aren't well stocked in potions, mana crystals of course, but I'm having a hard time seeing the reason for why you'd switch back unless you're doing pvp. Magic is about picking the right element for the right situation. Firebolt cc4 is a great single target moider machine, icebolt makes for a great fusion tool, and lightning bolt has the highest hitstun making it the safest for setting up into other moves (mainly charge), but again if you're using lightning bolt you're probably not a straight up mage. Ice spear is great for that fast charge allowing for really easy party comboing off of it, as well as stalling high hp hard to kill bosses. It also sets up into blaze really well. Thunder is alright for aoe, but generally you probably just want to fireball if you've got the mana reserves.

I totally agree that magic has problems, it's lacking in options in terms of weapon choices like others skillsets have. If I need a cheap throwaway weapon, I have many choices to go through in the early game. Magic doesn't have that, and there is really no reason for that. No I'm not saying beginner weapons need to be a thing, because they don't. I'm saying weaker potential weapons with instead of cc4, cc3, higher focus on mana regen upgrades and shit like that. Or maybe a wand with charge speed upgrades meaning that focusing on fusion will be a bigger early game tactic or something. Look at fluted, wooden, and so on.

Anywho, I'm going on way too long.

I'm struggling to word why I feel that mp30s should be a thing, it really isn't going to change the late game, mp30s aren't going to be enough to full a mage in the mid game if they're relying on cc4 fb. Players will still want to go into potion making to fuel their evaporation, their mana shield, their advanced magics.
Especially if you're playing solo and not with a group, you're going to need your pots.

Holy shit, I've lost my train of thought. Oh yea, the adding of mp 30s will not really change the game too much negatively. While you could argue that mages need potion making just like archers need refine, in this version of the game archers can get away without touching a life skill at least for a little while especially since we have the passives, and I think that mages should have a bit more leniency as well in this regard. Don't get me wrong, as a mage you'd still have to be smart about your money to buy pots, but I can't imagine where mages won't just want to start doing potion making so that they eventually will have earned their way to be able to not have to worry about pots and evap.

Went on too long again, really need to just make my own thread.

It's specifically for a weapon that is just a reskinned Warhammer. Not every weapon deserves this treatment at all.

Imagine an upgraded Confetti bow, enchanted for damage, never uses arrows. Yeah, now imagine that as an ego weapon. Yeah it'd be too ridiculous. There are many more joke weapons that really don't need anything, but the fact that the weapon is so like a Warhammer, one would think it would have upgrades similar to one, as well as repairs.

Yup, Frantic. This server was meant to be an extension of the older versions of Mabi. Not the breeze of a powerlvling madness live has become.

I got places to go and people to meet, most of use have over the years spend allot of time in mabinogi already, some grinds are not fun at all
and completely unnecessary and repulsive.
I'm sure there are other ways to balances the game (nerfs and buffs) for more competitiveness and challenging game play, the way we all want it,
custom dungeons and such.

@ Selzyr

I got places to go and people to meet, but I play a mmorpg to pass time whenever I have the time for it, if I do not have the time to invest on something, I do not do it.
I do agree that "Grinding" shouldn't be part of the game, I had my share on Ultima Online, and some skills could have some work (aka refining and some life skills like Blacksmithing/Carp/etc(Enchanting too)) but doesn't change the fact that this suggestion will tie with what we almost have on the Official, not cool, not fun, in fact would make the game in certain aspects feel like Official does.
Don't take me wrong, again, what is broken, needs fixing, what isn't broken, don't touch it, I do agree, again that certain "Skill Paths" need some work, Magic, Alchemy, heck even Archery on my point of view needs a touch or two, but before suggesting, think about everything, other players, how they feel about the mechanics your suggesting to change, how would affect not only you, but the overall aspect of the game, can give you one example:

Running faster, or the ability to do so, would make so people don't use pets as often, would make so you can breeze on certain dungeons making "farming" for money or hunting for materials faster, one would say, "that's good!" right?
No, Faster money and Faster materials creates Inflation, and there goes our normal market that we currently have with it.

I could come up with 1000 reasonings agaisnt this, another one could come with another 1000 that could make it work, comes from opinion and tastes.

I wasn't being Hostile nor Elitist for the record @lycoris, this isn't the Nexon forums, I don't find the need too here.

@ Celzyr Thank you for your reply. I make these suggestions for everyone to read because i do want to know others opinions and views for further insight on how the idea's could affect the overall aspect of the game. i'm not here ordering a pizza online telling the pizza guy how to make the perfect pizza to my liking, without asking the likes and dislikes of others at the table with whom i share the pizza.
of course everyone one wants their own pizza... but we all share a slice of one pizza...

"would make people don't use pets as often, would make so you can breeze on certain dungeons making "farming"for money or hunting for materials faster"
"Faster money and Faster materials creates Inflation"

assuming walking is the standard because all mounts have 0 mins remaining, that could later change
when older players have more mounts to keep them from walking, the newer or less hardcore players however... do not.
Whether or not it has a noticeable impact on how fast money, items even exp are obtained
would then depend on the % amount of increased walking speed of the run skill/action (tittle or whatever)

base speed
human 100
Giant 115
elf 131
Thoroughbred 260
shire 188

Lets take for example +25% movement speed skill
human 100 130
Giant 115 135 (
elf 131 161 (could also be restricted to only humans and giants, giants are then the fastest runners some <3 for them for a change)

all still less than a shire with 188 movement speed.
If prevention of inflation is the main issue, then perhaps the cost for mounts should be increase based on the amount of pets you already
have and/or just increased in general, that would have a bigger impact on inflation prevention.

The +25% movement speed skill: (not stack able) (does not work while mounted) (Cannot be used in the midst of battle. The player must not have been fighting for 30 seconds in order to activate it.) (even perhaps a duration restriction though i would rather not)
or better mechanics.

I've been informed the one on mabimods can and will crash the client for mabi pro. I dunno why, nor have i tested it, but i have no reason to doubt it.
I've also heard that noone, think that was his name, was working on a version of it for this server.

heavy armor with ping that elves can wear? i was always under the impression that was kind of broken on live?? elves never had ping before live mabi's dramatic descent into hell and still shouldn't in my opinion

if you're going to add heavy armor for elves, at least add dragonscale armor instead, which doesn't have ping and comes in both genders. adding just colossus armor (m only) is pretty lame if you ask me. equality or no heavy armor at all plz