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Did some digging after seeing what drahan had to say.

Quote from s29 of mabimods.
"WS2MintUnQueue (Windows Socket 2 Mint Unqueuer) is a special mod that I've found months ago. I was skeptical on how powerful this mod might be for the community. What this mod does is removes your limitation of outgoing actions to the server, thus allowing you to have a bit more control of your character beyond the limitation of networking latency, for this mod to work effectively you must be close to the server's location. For Mabinogi North America the servers are located in California. So if you live in that state you get the most beneficial effect for this modification. After much consideration regarding on should this modification be public we've decided that it is within safe bounds to release it. As always, be cautious"

I don't know much about the technical aspects of networking. Tests and visible results, i can do and see, but the hows and whys, i can't really say much, so i'll just watch now.
Can you link this thread? I'd like to download/install this mod or whatever it is

Sorry, nope. I'll tell you it's in the abyss thread, posted feb 2nd, and that's the most i'll do. I wouldn't expect much out of it, if you're not a coder though. This is part of abyss itself, the version discussed anyway. I wouldn't expect it to work with this version of mabi. It won't take much digging to find the source, do that and you can decide who you think you should contact if you want a working version for mabi pro. I make no promises they'll help, or even that they'll even be nice to you though. I'm afraid that's just how life works sometimes.
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I will say the courcle map mod works for me. I would recommend you check the directory of your map mods, then use mabiunpack to open the full pack, and verify it's all in the right location and right spelling. It may be named differently than the mod's initial naming, due to japanese files. I'd have to look to confirm though, and not able to so atm.
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Okay so my question is:
What's the point on playing on a 2x server when on global you can easily get 4x to 6x skill progression?
Why play on nerfed rates?

My question is, why would you want to play on the main server when it's all about afk, face-tanking, and pay to win now?
Personally, i prefer players be required to make some effort, to get some growth on their character. Makes it mean something going into higher end content. Live mabi you can basically face tank, pay for absurd reforges that can give you over 10x your normal dmg, aoe pets to just keep everything stun locked, and of course skill training means nothing anymore between skill training seals, destinies, training pots, increased xp rate pots, and all that junk. Effort just means more on this server, and i like it that way, that's part of the main reason i joined mabi in the first place.
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i'm trying to move/extract the new launcher files, while running winRAR as admin, but it says access is denied to this folder.

the folder's on my desktop, but read-only for some reason. unsetting that doesn't work.

how do I fix this?

EDIT: after leaving it alone for a while, I extracted the files while windows explorer wasn't focused on the folder
somehow, it worked. maybe the launchers turn the folder into some unattainable security level while they're doing their work, or something, and you need to not have used them before modifying files. or maybe w10 windows explorer just doesn't play nice with game files for no reason sometimes, so you need the folder not to be open.
just a few things to try if your computer's saying you need permission to move files, anyway


Note, this may be a security issue, not as in virus/anti-virus but as in security settings on your pc. I've played with them on windows 10, so i'll give a quick run down of what i'm talking about. Since your issue, Epsilos, is already solved this won't be any real use to you atm, but maybe it'll help someone at some point. And yeah,t his is a bit lengthy.

DO NOT mess with anything in your "Windows" directory!! This means any files or subfolders there, do not even think about touching security settings. You screw with those, you may well lock yourself out of your computer, and even a system restore will not work. I'm speaking from experience, of messing with some security settings, so trust me and don't mess with those, ever. I can't stress how important it is to leave those files alone.

Before we start, you will likely need to know your administrator password, or be on the administrator account in order to do this. Otherwise you likely won't get anywhere.

Go to the location of whatever file/folder has the issue. Right click it, then select properties. You'll want to click the security tab on top of the properties window, then click advanced.


You'll have a new window open, at the top are two lines, name followed by Owner. Make sure the owner is set to whichever account you want to play under. I'm heavily blurring this image, for privacy.


You can assign ownership of the file/folder to a guest account it seems, should you wish, but i heavily advise against that. The less permissions required to use the file, basically the easy it is to tamper with by programs that may have no business messing with it.
As you can see in the above image, when changing ownership there is a textbox to type the username into it. Type the desired name of your user account, not the mabi account but your pc account, then click on "check names" to the right of the box. It should convert the name into something along the lines of 'ComputerName/AccountName'. That means you spelled the name right, and how you know you're converting ownership right.


Click okay at this point, and it will close the name confirmation window, and leave you at the advanced security settings window again. It will likely warn you about how since you changed ownership, you must close the window before making any further changes. You'll want to quickly make sure you're not being denied any privileges though.

Under the "Type" column of this window, see above image for reference, you want to look for any "Deny" entries. If one exists, you need to see which "Principal" is restricted. The deny privilege, will take priority, so if the account you're on or updating under, falls under Deny's Principal, you won't be able to make changes, or even view the file, depending on what kind of "Access" is listed.

If there's no deny listed, or it doesn't affect the account you're on, you're good. So you can go ahead and click ok on the windows you opened, to safely close them and save the ownership changes. If there is a deny you need changed though, you will need to close and open the security window before making any changes, as you were prompted about previously. But by checking before closing the window, you know whether you're done, or actually need to open the window back up.

In the event you need to change something, you'll want to jot down the details of the exact entry you're about to change, or screenshot it and save the image in an obvious and easy to find location, such as the desktop. This is important, absolutely do not skip this step or try to rely on memory. If you botch anything up, then you could very well lock yourself out of not just one file, but all related files and folders in the related directory. Exact details are necessary.

In order to remove the access deny permission, i suggest just trying to swap it to allow instead. This is quite simple. Double click the entry, you'll get a window like below. (again, blurred for privacy)


There's a drop down box near the top, that should say deny. You click it, change it to allow, as seen in the image, then just hit ok. That's it, you're done. Just hit ok on any open windows at this point, to save changes and close them.
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For me, i'm fine with the grind on some skills. As a giant, the current wm training is a joke, i'm not dedicating loads of time to grinding it, i've hit r3 rather effortlessly. Then i reset and i'm working on refine for the moment, for reasons.

Other things like say blacksmith or even tailoring, i'd have issues with. But ultimately you could buy most your mats off other players for skills like that at least.

Upping the rate, i reject. Tweaking certain skill requirements to train? Yeah, sure, depending on the skill and the tweak. But some skills are a joke as is, while others are a bit more challenging in all honesty. I like to be able to say that i earned it, and nerfing all training across the whole game, so you can play faster, is a huge turnaway for me.

I agree with others on that aspect, go play mabi live if you want fast. They have all you'd want. 2x skill training pots, increased success rate pots, increased gather speed pots, exp seals for training any skill you want practically, destiny and talents, occasional events, demi+brio, abundance of ap... If you want fast training, mabi live. If you want casual, mabi live. Don't even need to pay to be good, i didn't. Though paying has obvious benefits. You can even get free nao stones and guardian stones now, when you hit end game there's almost no reason not to keep some in stock, and again it's free. Great for casual players...

Leave this game in its current style, that's why i play it. Changing the style is what nexon did, and would quickly drive away most the playerbase i imagine. Most of us would join an older server to either see what it's like, cuz you weren't around back then, or because we know what it's like and this is what we wanted. There's a surprising number of the former to me, but i imagine the latter outweighs them.
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i dont like the font tho

The game itself uses the same font fyi. The patch itself is actually redundant, as is read data folder and a few others. Just saying.

The file itself does indeed work. Many thanks blade.
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You just need language pack, right?
https://mega.nz/#!PNpgFYjb!hp8M1esUwch3yF1MFgIfVljmQOtRcYJmTRXi_Y0eFNs

Just place it in your mabi directory, the package folder. I assume you'd guess as much, but just being safe.
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Yeah, the whole good items in gacha thing, no. I'd much prefer custom gachas that don't pander to people who can just bot the crap outta it on alts or some crap. This is one of the biggest issues with live, the gachas were profitable, to the point they ruined most sense of effort and accomplishment. I don't feel rare equipment has any place in them.
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Magic and wands, you addressed concern over it restricting spells and such, but what are your thoughts on mana evaporation for unequipping wands atm? Personally, i hate it.

If you want to rebalance windmill training, you absolutely must consider the fact that giants have an easier time training it, because we're melee specialists. Tweak the conditions maybe, reduce the number of mobs required to count as 'multiple kills' with one windmill, and on conversely you may consider lowering xp earned and increasing the total potential max for the condition, say if you were supposed to meet the condition 10x, make it 15x or 20x now. That will keep a sense of balance, and while possibly slowing down the training a little, it will also make it easier as one of the biggest issues with it is the cp conditions. You can't forget though, races do have different training requirements, changing it for one race means you should be considering how to change it for the other races, and why the other races are different. Giants are melee specialists, they're supposed to be more proficient at it, hence easier training.

On to hp loss, this was removed in part, because you lose invincibility frames. If you remove hp loss, you should consider removing invulnerable frames too. R1 wm you can basically just keep spamming wm, even a mob who has defense up right beside you, will give you time to wm and trigger defense, then wm again as long as you don't try to melee them. If i don't have to worry about hp loss, at r1 wm i'm going to be god.

If you're gonna mess with charge, i want more distance for giants to be able to charge, at all ranks. We get shieldless charge anyway, if you're considering making that a feature for other races, we lose one of the major benefits. So i'd really like to see some benefit returned to us. Maybe not necessarily distance, but i lack a better idea atm.

I don't think lances exist yet.


Jumping a bit up on the post, archery. Other than just wounds, you may want to consider stun time, speed, upgrades, and honest knockback ability on each shot. While i say knockback, take note i don't mean actual knock down and stuns. I mean each shot slightly pushing a mob back a bit. You'd apply normal stun time, and during 70-80% of the stun time the mob would slide backwards to its final position. Don't make the slide 100% of stun time, as that would likely cause issues with latency. Possibly make it affected by heavy stander or something.

Stun time is obvious, but you could make it vary greatly for each bow. Tweak the bows themselves some to give varying range stun times, as well as give them the ability to affect skill loading time for bow related skills. Let upgrades further tweak each of the prior mentioned effects.

If bard comes back, lullaby needs carefully monitored. We won't have talents i hope, so reduced effects from music. But that's one skill i'd keep under scrutiny, because it can be all you need to take a deadly situation into a cakewalk.

Fighter... meh. It was king of single target dps back in its introduction. I'm not opposed to respite having the magic penalty removed, i'm rather impartial to the set as a whole.

Keep hybrid skills out, or in gunner and ninja's case they may need nerfed. Without talents, we do not necessarily have the stats to support efficient use of these skillsets. However, gunner and ninja make crowd control a joke. Also bear in mind, introducing skills means we get more base stats as we train them. Power creep, aside from actual skill usage.

Future content, meteor needs a long cool down. Bear in mind, it's actually not mana intensive, given what it is and what it can do, including using it through walls. A rank 1 also is absurdly strong, with special upgrades, and not even using reforges. I would slowly tweak things here and there if you want to adjust it, but if the damage and aoe stays the same, i would not want the cool down reduced.

Inspiration i'd really like, but you'd have to monitor mana shield's efficiency and inspiration's cool down to see how well those two play together. Remember, our mana shield now is different than the one in live mabi. Lightning rod is another cause of concern, absurd burst damage with lowish mana usage and relatively short cool down. Honestly, i think the old inter magics; fireball, thunder, icespear, and possibly even blaze should be considered being adjusted in terms of both cast time and mp usage, should we get newer magic. They don't balance properly, other than they have no cool downs.

I really just want to point out, we are not live mabi. Seeking a balance is what we should be doing. We have a foundation for the game. While the original concept is what will draw old fans, maintaining that balance, but possibly improving it, will be what's likely to keep players.
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moon gates i'd like to operate like mana tunnels. if they do, i'd be fine with only one set being open at a time actually. Tunnels=day, gates=night. At the moment though, i really do miss live mabi's gates/tunnels, especially the dungeon teleport.
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Okay so... why not just add 2x Training pots for red formor coins?
Those who wish to grind slow, they simply don't buy it. While those who wish to just get done with the crappy grind just buy them pots.
Adding optional things are the way to go imo.
(inb4 ppl will still have a problem even with optional boosts)

I could totally rant about that. But i'll keep it simple. Whether an individual takes advantage of a feature or not, it still affects the community as a whole.
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So they were some guides i wrote for guildies' sake back in june and july of 2015. So these are relatively dated but still contain features not available in this version of mabi. There should still be plenty of info to help inexperienced, or someone just looking for some basic player vs enemy knowledge. PDF then HTML format, only 2 files, so just pick the format you like better.

https://mega.nz/#!fMIAVYJB!HhlBmqGyPxask1-IXYuEdv2Tfw-Lls4C3M9bK3l1fdY
https://mega.nz/#!jIwVEDbT!xCo9lZLZI-QYqycat1_V7lK5XgKPoPwmSnJzq5hUqp0

https://mega.nz/#!LEh0BDqB!hOwQNKs7755RbKYfQXQEPhhIuy3iCFHNiQF2lNFKXtc
https://mega.nz/#!fMYwgIJD!3GnYTrQCb0aI6UDFmLIy6Bog1135cui03mS1AEi65G0


Feel free to ask questions if you have any, i'll try to keep an eye out. No guarantee i'll have a good response to anything though.
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The main reason why people leave Nexon isn't because they added the 2x pots and the Talents. It's because Nexon hides everything behind a god damn paywall or and RNG paywall. Not even a cheap one that is.

Hide everything behind a paywall? That's only for people who don't have time, are lazy, or are just stupid. I played for years, never gave a dime to nexon, never will. I don't even use reforges. I can solo MA, not even get hit. I can solo forest purification, no deaths, which is harder than MA imo. Even scathach lord, i'd solo that if it let me in alone. Pay to win? Yeah. Pay to play? No. Just git gud as they say. Even when i die, i typically keep 10 guardian stones and 10 nao stones on me, just from daily crap; adventure seals and saga coupons. Game's a joke. Despite my best effort though, if i don't take advantage of cash features like reforges, my damage is still 1/10 of other players. It's demoralizing and very frustrating.

This is what you're essentially asking. Not the extremities that nexon currently has, but you want to creep into that territory. You can want that, but i do not, and i will vehemently object to it, as that's the primary reason i quit. Dull as crap now and effort means nothing.
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The issue with using books to train, is that if you transfer it to skills that involved combat, such as windmill, players can go directly for the books without even needing to use the skill. I believe cooking did this right in live mabi, in that you needed books but you required training to go along with it. Then you hit the issue of balancing, and the annoyance of having to hunt down the books, especially in the cases of secret shops.

It'd help the life skills, to improve what's produced from them now, such as blacksmithing gets a more serious boost from its equipment, preferably lower stat equipment gets a more serious boost to make it keep up with higher stat equipment, so that players don't feel like they should use one specific weapon their whole game life. Some skills like weaving... i really don't know what to do with that.

But combat skills... i'll probably complain about most, cuz they're honestly not that bad. It's a one time tradeoff, a bit of effort in combat which is what you're going to spend most your game time doing when you're not standing around talking. So learn how to effectively use the skill, and the training isn't a problem most the time, and even when it is it's a one time tradeoff. Train it, then it's done, you never have issues with it again. It's not like PTJs where if you don't do so many within a certain duration, it loses counts and thus rewards. The benefits are permanent unless you do a reset.
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I haven't played on live since G12, so I can't say anything, but given a lot of people hate what's going on the live servers, I'd say, bring the good, leave the bad there?
The Bard skills I've seen on the wiki seem cool, Lullaby seems OP to say the truth.

Live used a talent system too. Train a skillset enough, get permanent buffs usually related to the skillset. In bard's case, you train enough, one of the buffs is permanent increase to related skills, ie music. This extends the duration of things like lullaby. Tack on some enchants and instrument upgrades, it's further increased. If you take out all the modifiers, lullaby itself may not be so bad at r1, but sure of actually seeing it in action with our current setup, i wouldn't want to jump the fence yet, so to speak. It'd be something that i wouldn't mind seeing on a trial basis, and either tweaked or removed as needed, to keep up with the balance of other skills and mobs.
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I'll avoid my desired rambling. I support this, but current content will need closely monitored to keep from breaking balance with the power creep and implementation of new stuff. Example, how long did it take for a dungeon revamp in live, and how long were dungeons essentially a joke?
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May be your network or antivirus configuration. I have issues with skill locks, which sucks during production skills cuz you have to relog to fix it, but lag wise i don't have any more issues than normal.
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Check out display settings, if you're on win10 can literally search display to get to the settings window.


That's the best i can recommend you do for mabi, but it will affect everything and not just mabi unfortunately. If you do this though, you need to disable compatibility mode for mabi, see here:
http://mabinogi.ir/thread/224-disable-compatibility-mode
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This is not for voting! This is just for discussion regarding the current one.



Herb patchs, 5v10 herbs. I'd support that for fields. Atm, i'm not sure if i really want to support that for dungeons. Injuries are more prevalent on here, and you have far less hp to heal. Most scary mobs are going to hit above your max hp anyway. So i feel hp pots won't be as desirable. Mp pots may be, but there's also less spells and dmg on them over live. And i imagine it's a matter of time before we see a bunch of cypress weapons around, to address stam issues. So, for reasons, i'm not so sure on this topic, but i'm not strongly against at least.

Shop Brownies... as much as i like the thought of my shop lasting longer, this also means you'll see a flood of alts on the server just to sell in dunby, indefinitely... May be good for items, but i'd much prefer looking into an alternative method for shops and their duration, rather than encouraging alts.

Cosmetic items being able to be repaired, i'm including soluna blade here as it's just a joke, i fully support. I mean, if you want function there's obviously better, it's cosmetic for a reason. So let people keep their items if they want, and sell them to other players months later if they want to do that.

Monster skills, yes. But the mobs that know different skills, needs carefully controlled. Give a goblin evade, sure. But i really don't want to see the ciar goblins charging at me, especially poison ones, while i'm trying to fight an archer or something. I get that MA mobs have evade and assault slash, but rarely use. I'm hoping if the mobs are given these skills on this server, they'll use them more practically, but again the ones that know them need to be controlled so things don't get out of hand. As funny as it would be to see entire parties getting wiped by shadow fighters and shadow warriors rotating charge and assault slashes when their target gets hit by magnum, firebolt, or a crit knockback.
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So, of concern to some of us is that the gachas have gear that we would normally grind to get, and good gear at that. So, as potential compromise, i was thinking why not let the gachas keep those items, but make them non-repairable? Whether they can be upgraded or not, i leave up for debate. But making them non-repairable, not only will you be aware of who has the gacha item, it will still be rather restricted compared to those who worked for the item. I personally think it'd be a decent trade-off, or at least worth trying, depending on how common the item is in the gacha.
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