MabiPro: The Authentic Old-School Mabinogi Experience

Just wanted to say, i think defining alchemy as utility, is more appropriate than support. I'm disinclined to support a boost to alchemy damage, as i never truly went raw damage for it during g13 or prior. Archery though... No damage buff please. Tweaks? Maybe. Damage, no.

Fashionogi... it may be easier to take a note from official mabi's server, and look into fashion tab. Implementation may differ, but i have a feeling it'd be easier to do than the whole robe setup.
Actual gear changes, not for the fashion aspect, may well be worth considering though.

I feel crafting, just for training, would benefit more from tweaking requirements to craft and/or requirements to train the respective skill. Increasing diversity never hurt though, as long as it's staying balanced in what we can produce. Even if it's epic and difficult to produce, i still don't want to see a 200+ dmg sword for example, because it would kill off the point of other weapons. You'd use other stuff as basically placeholders, until you can get your hands on the new weapon. Balance is key, in more than just effort.

Okay... not that that's actually relevant.
But it works for me. Just make human alts, get giant/elven friends and top up on 15mil while you can boiz.

This first long bit is all about archery. Beware.

How would you balance a removal of miss percentage? Would you make loading the skills take longer? If so, how do you account for Elves (or xbows iirc), who can run while loading a ranged skill? Do you reduce the stun time of each shot? What about damage?

My concern is that many mobs don't have their own answer to an Archer. Some mobs have multi-aggro. A few mobs have Evasion. Defense reduces the stun times, but is ignored by magnum shot (unless they have a shield maybe? It's been a while). For the rest of the mobs however, they've always relied on the fact that maybe you will miss, or maybe you'll take too long aiming to get the best chance you can to hit. If miss chances are removed, these mobs should still retain some chance that they could get in close to an archer.

That isn't to say I'm against removing miss chance. I just think that it might be a difficult challenge to overcome.

Personally, I would like Archers to end up with a sort of playstyle that ends up as consistent single target dps of decent power that requires little preparation. An Archer should be able to control a battle against a single opponent by keeping them at a distance, but should be vulnerable at close range. Aiming and miss chances make this an issue, since aiming while close to an opponent is so fast that point-blank magnum shot spamming is a viable tactic. The fact that you can miss makes your control over the battle against even one opponent an uncertainty. If stun times were reduced or loading times were extended, archers could adapt and then predict whether they can take on a particular enemy while staying safe, and adjust accordingly. With a miss chance, there is too much luck involved.

Okay, moving on from Archery finally.

If Windmill needs a training adjustment, then I also recommend a training adjustment for Refining. Refining is another one of those skills that you sort of have to crank out early or have a terrible time dealing with it later on.

On Magic Chain Casting: I agree that I would love for this to be an actual skill, but I don't think it should be added in willy nilly for the sake of balance. Some sort of trade-off? Because if there isn't any, mages would become incredibly overpowered pretty darn quickly.

On Future Classes... eh? I definitely love Bard, since that compounds on the music part of the game I already love, but why try and re-create these live classes for this server? Like, if we really wanted these classes, why aren't we just playing these classes on live? I personally like the idea of us as a community creating something new for this server much better, if we're hoping for more class options (Very loose and not-thought-out idea, but subclasses maybe? Different types of magic users, or different types of melee combatants? Like a Duelist vs. a Knight? That sort of thing?).

I'd also be in favor of books for every skill. I'm actually having fun when trying to grind for a book.
Spamming skills with certain conditions always seemed stupid to me.
Either just keep it as spam or skill book it. The CP system is what rather makes leveling skills annoying.

The only reason I see to keep restrictions is what happens when you do story missions with no restrictions? Does that mean a level 29 total character is going to be stuck with a hard mode mission?

Mana evaporation has GOT to go. It has no place in the game. It does not make sense thematically or balance-wise, based on whether the player is or is not a "Mage".

BALANCE:
Except every other class (aside from Archery) can match current Magic DPS. Every other class including Archery can utilize other weapons with no resource penalty. Every other class can use all of their DPS-intensive skills with their primary equipment.

THEME:
Mana is something that flows around, and through you. You channel mana from your body, though the wand, and into forming magic in front of your face. The wand is just a focus, it is not injecting needles into your hand and suckling out your Mana, or reverse-flowing the element into your body. Mana exits your body, enters the wand, and creates a spell. Mana not used is STILL IN YOUR BODY. Otherwise, when equipping a wand, your mana would be sucked into the wand and you would effectively have zero mana forever because the wand was constantly draining you until you put it down.

Epsilon, whatever tree you're barking up is the wrong one.

Not complaining about the thread, but you may wish to add actual quote boxes so you can click the quote, to jump to the original thread, or provide links in each spoiler as well. Just for ease of use. There's conversation to some of the threads, and this can be important so jumping to the topic will be a big help.

Sorry, but i don't even see that as an argument... Inserting links doesn't force someone's browser to jump page, least no in a forum post. If they don't wanna jump to know what's been discussed, they simply don't click the link. Again, it's just there for convenience, not to force someone to change page when they don't want to, then have to go back to the previous page... I'm not suggesting to replace all contents of your post/spoilers with links only, just adding a way to jump if the user so chooses, and nothing more.

There could be an "entrust" option, like what we have for Enchant.

IMO, the effort required to implant this is far greater than the benefit it'd bring. I'd rather dev time be spent elsewhere.

If there was a repair skill, I'd say just make it dispense repair coupons.

Awyeah, got heckin more tabs than anyone else. Slackers

Don't you all want Mabi to become The Best (TM) ?