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Mounting sirens...
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As much as I would like it, it would be too broken.

I dont have firsthand witness to what happened so i am going to speak in "ifs"

If the offender was censored, which entails his or her statements erased, hidden, or pre-censored like those that happen on twitch chat that goes <message deleted> then thats stopping the "spirit of free speech"

if none of those happened and a ban or suspend happened thats simply the consequences of someones actions.

Either way, free speech should not be thrown around here. The GM Body is not the congress or any part of the US government. This whole place is private and the owner and GM body should decide what kind of things they will and will not allow.

Honestly I'm helping you guys make a better argument for what you guys are trying to push. Avoid the free speech call, thats not how any of this works. Instead, focus on making a case as to whether or not its a good thing to be strict or be laissez-faire when it comes to policing the server

Regarding the events in global chat, I can see you anger. As someone who abides rules and actually gives people respect, I have no issue with the moderation. I agree that freedom of speech should be allowed in this server, my issue is how that right is being exercised. The lack of common decency this community shows towards each other is concerning. I am not saying 'if you are offended say nothing' because that would be silly, but how you express yourself should also be considered when replying. It would save a lot of arguing and drama, which I don't think anyone on this server wants.

Honestly in my opinion the best way to handle this would be to create a report section for harassment on the website that's separate from the bug report which can be moderated quickly and then only place restrictions on REPORTED OFFENSES. This would again be done at GM discretion but would allow for you to point directly at a particular line of text or screenshot in order to justify your actions. This would also prevent any claims of favoritism since you could explain WHY each person did or didn't get banned case by case in tickets.

I personally don't want anyone banned for anything they've ever said to or about me under any circumstances and would never use this feature, but at the very least it would allow people who DID want to take advantage of it to feel protected without causing the general community to feel that they're being over-moderated. It would also clear up controversies about why people got chat restricted and link statements that they've made directly to their punishments.

Mages can't sustain multiple waves of enemies by themself. It simply costs too much. Fusion bolt doesn't fix that

I think it's really cool that people are starting to talk about an important thing. It shows that people are learning instead of squabbling. The only thing I don't like is that there are a ton of ways to approach this and at such an early stage, there's a very high likelihood it may cause more problems.

Just appoint a community manager with some experience or something.

Completely out of context but I don't believe that it's fair to compare the damage of archers and the damage of mages because of cast time. To get the max multiplier for fusion bolt you have to charge all 5 times. An archer can do that damage in a split second whereas a mage would take too long to be any use after the first wave of enemies. Most people forget this part and immediately rush to "It's broken"

The skill is fundamentally broken. It lets you machine gun fury of light, for example and breaks a bunch of other magic related things. It's not a good skill to have at all in general. Promise, players aren't missing out.

You're forgetting 10 second charge fireballs due to chaincasting staves
You're forgetting chaincasted fire wands and 10mp potions allows for faster and higher damage than magnum spam besides maybe elves
You're forgetting that in a party, charging between waves makes damage output of mages much MUCH higher and more stable than archers
You're forgetting archer miss chance gets them killed 20% of the time they go to fire arrows
You're forgetting that mages have 2x-3x the life due to Mana shield
You're forgetting that mages have options on how to juggle aggro besides just "I hope I don't get multiaggro'd"
You're forgetting that HAILSTORM OUTRANGES EGO LLBS AND GUARDIAN BOWS
You're forgetting how ridiculously easy it is to rank almost every single int skill in the game.
Also you're mistaking G14 AR with G13 AR, our TOTAL DAMAGE AMONG ALL SHOTS is less than 4.5x (NOT 6.9x) due to defense stats and rarely does more than 500 damage (2.3x raw) for a full charge and endgame gear since monster defense reduced EVERY SHOT'S DAMAGE
And unless you're using an arbalest with minimal range you wont crit in end game missions at ALL

Just a few things to keep in mind before asking for even more buffs or comparing yourselves to other classes

Am pure mage. Who says I don't enjoy magic? You're very quick to jump to conclusions. If you're trying to convince people that mages aren't outclassed because they're able to spam a single skill, you have to put a lot of mana and time to make that possible. And it's a really long and boring process that is really counter intuitive because it costs mana to make mana. Add money onto that and yeah, you may as well just pick a different class. In fact if you're so sure, then just provide evidence instead of throwing around hostilities. You're not that convincing anyway

As someone who IS at end game I can guarantee you that everything you said before this sentence makes it apparent that you are nowhere near end game. Everything you said in rebuttal is some form of wrong or at the very least misguided.
1 Fireball deals 10-20k damage against endgame clearing all rooms in normal content
3 Your party always makes opportunities for you to charge since its end game and if you're challenging the content without comms or understanding you're going to fail regardless of party composition
4 try archery and then read your statement again, you have no clue how it works, so from someone with 1.5k levels in it i can tell you this line is complete bullshit
5 mana shield scales with mana, and the only skills that grant mana are magic skills. Sure anyone can get it, but explain how you can get 700+ mana without ranking magic skills and i'll retract the statement. Until then it stands
6 thunder is the main tool for clusters, ice spear works for lines of monsters, fusion ice lightning can stun area of effect temporarily for party members, ice bolt spam can hold 4 monsters with cc+3 wand, etc etc. If you cant juggle aggro it means you're not playing the class correctly.
7 Ignoring AR since that skill deals absolutely no damage, 3 mags means on average 1 will miss on average which nets you around 2.5k damage, then during the duration you can maybe get off 4 more so lets say you hit 6/7. You have a chance of dying 1 time during that and deal around 6-9k total damage. During that time the mage has hit 10 separate hail storms 5 charge with 0% miss chance dealing average of 15k damage with no chance of death since knock back and stun time allow the skill to waste any monster without blue ping. These are actual numbers from end game with similar levels of investment weighted cost-wise if anything to the archer.
8 the only "difficult" thing in this game is the grind. Weaving, refining, tailoring, handicraft. if you don't have these ranked up your damage will be SEVERELY hindered on archery (80-90%). Mages can easily rank all the music skills and a few magic skills for a free 500 int and from there its a matter of getting an extra 40-50% (or 30-50% to compare to the archery number) of your damage more damage from the harder books to acquire and smithing.
9 All I'm saying is that AR is complete trash so don't even compare it to anything except maybe wind blast. ice bolt cc with 200 int deals more damage, charges faster, and doesn't miss. The only damaging skills archery has outside of uladh normal mode dungeons is crash shot and magnum shot.

If you want to continue this conversation post from your main account so I can tell what portion of the game you're in, otherwise this conversation is over. If you're trying to extend the worst part of magic to the whole and compare it to the most powerful parts of every other class since you haven't experienced endgame yet then there's no point in explaining something you'll experience first hand in a few months.

Hi there Elf1 here. I see once again my name is being thrown around in conversation in a negative light and I have a few things to say about the ignorance of the community. During the conversation that took place between "Elf and Crew", we were in the same run together when the item was dropped. Excelsion took it upon himself to reiterate information that has been known since the dawn of Mabinogi. I respect that he decided to give his opinion on the matter, but this conversation could've been brought through a personal message. With Global Chat being active it created a stir in the community, and surprise! Once again, the community blew EVERYTHING out of proportion until Jade had to use the TOS to attempt to calm everyone down.

The issue that occurred for me PERSONALLY was that the TOS was being used unfairly in this instance to attempt to silence me without cause. For those who were wondering their still isnt a specific reason as too why I was banned. If you don't believe me read back to the global chat around 5:30, and simply search "Oblivion" in the Discord. I never attacked anyone or used and slander. I was told I was deserved to be called a faggot and to get the shit beat out of me, and where was the TOS to save me then? It didn't.
Patoots had my back in this instance as well, and I respected every decision that she made to try and help me get back onto this server.
Im sad that I must go, but this community (and certain GMS) have obviously made their decision on who I am as a person. Thank you everyone who played with me this last year and a bit, and I hope that the community can thrive and continue to grow.

Just make it so that donations give consumables like fireworks, tiered secondary titles, or custom sprays. Alternatively you could allow for permanent or semi-permanent in-game world cosmetics like a statue of the player with the highest donations, or season selection to make it snow in dunbarton or something. So long as there's no permanent effect or temporary combat/life skill buff I think rewards are fine. That said as a poorfriend I don't have the funds to donate so my opinion might be a bit biased from that perspective.

We fire emblem in here now BOIS.



Being able to shoot while mounted is possibly the greatest advantage that elves have over humans and one could argue it is part of their "design identity". I think it's important to have these differences to prevent races/classes from feeling homogenized, in any video game.

If this change happened I don't think anyone would be too mad, but I can't really see a good reason to do it. For any balancing that we mess with there has to be a very valid reason, I think. It is really hard to justify these along with any changes to balance in general in my opinion.

Whenever the issue of the server's funding comes up, a common line is that people would like to donate, but they are disincentivized because they see donating in bitcoin as a barrier. I know it's been said amazon coins/giftcards are an alternative, but what other means might there be that would allow people to donate? Otherwise, maybe it would be beneficial to teach people how to donate in bitcoin or educate them about bitcoin so that they are not as hesitant. Why is it so necessary for bitcoin to be the main/sole method for donating?

GTop100 wouldnt work out very well considering there is only 1 Mabinogi private server to begin with haha

15 of the top 20 players are humans. If giants and elves truly were superior dps machines, wouldn't you see more of them in the rankings? Being a jack of all trades helps prevent player burnout, letting them change to any playstyle and do viable damage whenever. Elves can't use dual wield or 2h weapons, so melee is almost completely out of the question for them (and you could argue higher mp costs for elves suck as well). Giants can't use ranged at all, and have terrible int scaling. Humans can face any threat, regardless of stander, and still expect viable damage, while the other races may seem to have better numbers in their respective fields, lose out when they need to switch to an alternate style.

There is a lot of power in being able to stay in trans as long as you have some way to regen your health, something that is that little push to why you barely see paladins, so much so that I could see them trying to buff other race's transformations, considering how good of a spot humans already are in.