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Bare bones base ideas(Sorta, well most anyway) to work with.

Posted at 07-10-18, 12:37 am Link | #1

Slayerj

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As the title says, I'm just going to throw some bare bones ideas for the team to take and run with if they want.

It's a lot. Enjoy? Idk lol

-Dungeon "SM" quests. These are just small quests for each dungeon, given to the players upon entering a dungeon. They are completed once the dungeon is left via the goddess statue at the end. I think, being forced onto the player, there shouldn't be a problem with already having a shadow mission already. EXP rewards only.
* These also shouldn't get in the way of PQs, as shadow missions don't ever need to be 'set' as the active party quest, at least from what I was able to test.

-Patrolling mobs. This idea is both for dungeons (mainly) and shadow missions. Just a few mobs that patrol areas of a dungeon or SM. Something to make them feel more 'alive' and less like these...stale boxes with halls.

-'Higher' ground. This is something I don't think is doable at all without massive jank, or at all in general. But the idea is raised ground in dungeons or missions. Nothing more to say about that. (I know this is a 2d game with fake 3d, but I'm pretty sure you get what I mean if you've played the game for more than a few minutes)

-Shorter halls in most dungeons/new dungeons. Halls have no reason to exist while being extreamly long. No dungeon makes good use of them when they are used either. They're just a long stretch of walking that everyone sees and says "I'm going to get on a mount and zoom down this hall and never look back." Even when there's something like Ore in Barrie in a hall, few will stop for it unless they need it, because nothing makes you want to. There's no mechanics or puzzles or optional stuff to do with anything down a hall aside from 'meh' end chests (less meh in new dungeons) in the higher difficulty dungeons. I honestly don't know WHAT to do, but SOMETHING needs to be done.

-Herb Spawns. Higher tier dungeons have no business spamming 3x base herb plots. I know the herb rooms are all premade, so remove these damn things if possible. There base herb plots in Tir, Dunby, Gra-..Gar.....Hill along the path to Bangor, and god knows where else that I haven't checked. Base level dungeons are fine to have them, but jesus hell you should not be able to step into an adv dungeon or peaca basic, looking to train herbalism to be greeted with 3x base herb spawn.

-Nekkojima dungeon mechanic. I feel some custom dungeons could use this mechanic well. It's fun in Nekko until you realize how easy it is to speed through and that the entire dungeon uses the exact same single spawn choice...

-More mechanics like that of the Necromancer in Cleanse the Graveyard. His entire thing is that you cannot kill him until you complete a part of the mission. Bosses that have stages like this would be really neat. I know the new major boss has stuff like this and it's really damn cool.

-Dungeon and SM traps. Forget the terrible Ice Mines that are both always in the same location, and extreamly annoying to play with. We could see some real neat traps in dungeons. A webbed area that spawns spiders when stepped on, or a mimic orb that when hit, hits you back and locks the room, meaning you could have skipped it if you had known. A premade room with markings similar to the ones on Longa floor to point you towards the right option of a puzzel but if you don't pay attention you instead get hurt. (No, really, the longa eyes on the floor are so under used...)

-More mobs that fight each other. Not everything is controlled by the formors, so why don't more animals and monsters fight each other/formor controlled mobs? Could easily make rooms hectic and fun.

-Branching paths and choices to how you complete a dungeon or mission. I can really only see this doable with missions because I don't know if you could even really change a dungeon to be like this with how they're generated. Things like picking path A over path B, knowing that one leads to less mobs but stronger mobs, and the other leads to less mobs but more traps. Things like that.

-Party quest board inside every old dungeon lobby. This one speaks for itself, but also add some new PQs. Could even be gathering style PQs with newer dungeons. "Collect 25 x wood type from the trees within this dungeon." (really dumb example but you get it). "Fish up 5 xcm or larger xfish within this dungeon so I can make a grand feast." Heck, some of those in the field would be neat too.

-'Continue' dungeons. A rare pass that doesn't expire. Runs you through every version of said dungeon, but with shorter amount of floors and rooms. The later floors however, are much larger. I think this is doable thanks to how you guys have been able to do new dungeons with more than one end reward and boss.

-Sorry, this one is more of a flat idea to throw at you guys-
-A fishing contest style SM (event?). Requires ranks of fishing instead of total levels to go into each version. Each version then asking for a fish, only fishable from the SM. You'd only be able to get the fish of the correct size range by active fishing due to the afk penalty or just having things spawn when you fish anything up that actually try to fight you. (if that's the case, lower the fishing rank req and keep the total level req). It also requires a full party of 3 or 4? Fish cannot be brought out of the SM. Rewards are not from actually fishing but from finishing the event. Thus less/no afk BS.

-A mix of both a idea to throw at you guys and a content idea-
-Animal only Dungeons. Dungeons that give a high amount of exp per mob, but can only be played as a pet. Passes are completely tradable and a version for almost every dungeon..? As for content idea, special rooms in dungeons that only people playing as pets can enter? (Level restriction for HM dungeons removed if playing as a pet?)

-Using ADV heavy mobs correctly. This is a neat idea, making some ADV heavy mobs that either don't move, or move REALLY slowly, and are more of a gimmick for the dungeon. An example here off the top of my head would be egg sacs in Alby. They do not move, don't agro, but when players are in range, will eventually spawn Spiderlings to rush down the players until destroyed (spawning a max number at a time with a long cooldown) They don't fight back, but you beat the tar out of them to get rid of them asap. For barri advance, explosive barrels. They don't move when hit, but will explode after a while, bonus points if anything at all can hit them, foe or ally.

-Mobs to represent swarms. Dumb example off the top of my head from a convo yesterday, a swarm of bees. Low hp, very high protection, to simulate trying to hit a tiny ass bee. Almost no stun on their attacks, and one of those AIs that rushes in, hits a few times, then dips, alongside multi agro to just be there to try and mess you up while fighting other mobs.

-Mobs that regen health faster. No gimmick rooms of them vanishing and slowing things down, just mobs that regen really fast so wound is important, for once.

-Less 'trash' mobs. I don't understand why a dungeon needs 'trash' mobs. Sure they're 'trash' on their own, but why not make them a real threat in some form when coupled with other mobs? They can do almost no damage, but similar to the swarm idea, say for rats, they could do very very low damage but 100% wound and their stun be almost removed completely. Hit you a few times, run away. Couple them with other mobs and now you have someone to interrupt you if you just ignore them, or someone to slowly tare at your max health pool down with wound.

post rev. 1 by Iforgotmyusername on 07-20-18, 05:14 pm

Posted at 07-20-18, 05:13 pm Link | #2

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Honestly, I've ran Longa like three times in the ten years I've played mabi, so I had no idea about the eyes haha.

Another cool thing that I actually made a post about on live mabi's steam forums, is a way to expand on Iria. I know it would mostly be impossible with the current infrastructure, and time needed to do it (probably) would be insanely long. But I might as well throw it in here so it's at least archived, so here goes.

A good way to entice people to go to Iria other than just getting those exploration levels is to add a boat style mini game, though one that has an interesting depth to it. My suggestion was that you make a boat-a permanent one, that you could customise to carry more cargo, go faster, or have more armor. However, you can only customise it so much for balance sake, you don't want any power creeping down the line, that's just bad.

Now, for the actual meat of it, have it so "islands" (a dungeon or shadow mission, which ever you prefer to call it) will spawn at random points, but in tiers. The further you go, the more difficult the "island" would be, but the more rewarding loot you would get upon reaching the end loot. However, due to the sheer amount you'd have to put it on the boat-hence the customisations.

Now, the speed and cargo makes sense, but what about armor? Ah, well, at the first tier island area, you won't need it. But the further you go, there is a chance of monster/fomor fish spawning to try and wreck havoc on your ship, but the amount of time you spend at sea will also increase the chance of the event happening as well. If they manage to sink it, you lose all cargo (subject to change if anyone else has a better alternative) as your ship has sunken. You respawn on the dock you left from (I can imagine one in each major area, as all major towns in Iria are coastal or close enough to where you can fly/run there in a timely fashion).

As for the loot, other than the obvious gold and randomised loot, I don't have many ideas for loot that would be related to this, possibly "bolt on" upgrades you can attach to your ship, but can only put so many on-this would extend the life of this idea as well, as even if you normal upgrade your ship, there's always the bolt on upgrade that you don't have yet.

Though I know this probably won't ever happen, or any time soon, I do think it would possibly become a new meta for cash and loot. As instead of just getting premade mission or randomised but still same spawn pattern dungeons, you'd be able to have a gigantic amount of freedom in deciding what "tier" islands you go to, and then there's the added DayZ like risk of losing it all if you get too greedy.